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		<title>By: Nelly Do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelly Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a nice clarification. I want to take some course at the Harvard Extension School (the 3 needed to apply for a degree program) but I&#039;m so confused as to where to start. Anyone in the area and planning on taking some classes this upcoming 2012 Spring Semester? Lets meet!

Find me on Facebook: Nelly Do
or text xxx-xxx-xxxx

New friends always welcomed! 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a nice clarification. I want to take some course at the Harvard Extension School (the 3 needed to apply for a degree program) but I&#8217;m so confused as to where to start. Anyone in the area and planning on taking some classes this upcoming 2012 Spring Semester? Lets meet!</p>
<p>Find me on Facebook: Nelly Do<br />
or text xxx-xxx-xxxx</p>
<p>New friends always welcomed! </p>
<p>And thank you again for this blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,
Thanks for the advice. I have always been interested in Southern Literature. I had an excellent History Professor who always conducted his exams through essay writing. By listening to his lectures, I would create my own exams based on the topics he would likely ask us to write about. And to get the interest of the reader, especially a Southern individual, is very difficult because the writer has to ask questions about his background and his personal interests outside of the classroom. Did you ever had the oppportunity to speak to Dr. Underwood outside of class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,<br />
Thanks for the advice. I have always been interested in Southern Literature. I had an excellent History Professor who always conducted his exams through essay writing. By listening to his lectures, I would create my own exams based on the topics he would likely ask us to write about. And to get the interest of the reader, especially a Southern individual, is very difficult because the writer has to ask questions about his background and his personal interests outside of the classroom. Did you ever had the oppportunity to speak to Dr. Underwood outside of class?</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronald:

When I started, I was pretty confident in my writing ability.  My first graded paper from Dr. Underwood shook that confidence.  His course isn&#039;t merely about learning how to structure a paper and get the formatting right.  His course is primarily about learning how to secure the interest of the reader, make an argument, and then support that argument with evidence gleaned from various primary sources.  it&#039;s not an easy task.  He does this through asking students to write about a subject which few people besides him are an expert: southern literature.

If you have any qualms about your writing ability, you would be well served to take EXPO E-15.  The high drop rate for EXPO E-25 is good evidence that few people show up to the course with a full appreciation for how strenuously their skills will be tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronald:</p>
<p>When I started, I was pretty confident in my writing ability.  My first graded paper from Dr. Underwood shook that confidence.  His course isn&#8217;t merely about learning how to structure a paper and get the formatting right.  His course is primarily about learning how to secure the interest of the reader, make an argument, and then support that argument with evidence gleaned from various primary sources.  it&#8217;s not an easy task.  He does this through asking students to write about a subject which few people besides him are an expert: southern literature.</p>
<p>If you have any qualms about your writing ability, you would be well served to take EXPO E-15.  The high drop rate for EXPO E-25 is good evidence that few people show up to the course with a full appreciation for how strenuously their skills will be tested.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,
Thanks for the reply. Because of the nature of Dr. Underwood&#039;s class, do you feel it might be best for students to enroll in EXPO-15: Fundamentals of Academic Writing, if they are not confident with writing abilities? I intend to enroll in this class in the Fall so that I could prepare myself for Underwood&#039;s writing class. He is the reason why I would come to HES. I want to see how far I came evolve my writing skills through his class.   While I have completed four writing classes at my current college that comprised of two English Composition classes and two Literature Classes with a B+ average overall, I just do not feel that I have really learn how to write. I want to test my abilities in Dr. Underwood&#039;s writing class. If I can survive his class with a &quot;B&quot;, then I&#039;ll feel confident that I can handle the rest of Harvard Extension School&#039;s academic program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,<br />
Thanks for the reply. Because of the nature of Dr. Underwood&#8217;s class, do you feel it might be best for students to enroll in EXPO-15: Fundamentals of Academic Writing, if they are not confident with writing abilities? I intend to enroll in this class in the Fall so that I could prepare myself for Underwood&#8217;s writing class. He is the reason why I would come to HES. I want to see how far I came evolve my writing skills through his class.   While I have completed four writing classes at my current college that comprised of two English Composition classes and two Literature Classes with a B+ average overall, I just do not feel that I have really learn how to write. I want to test my abilities in Dr. Underwood&#8217;s writing class. If I can survive his class with a &#8220;B&#8221;, then I&#8217;ll feel confident that I can handle the rest of Harvard Extension School&#8217;s academic program.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald,

Underwood is a tough professor.  Out of about 16 students, roughly half completed the class.  Some who did didn&#039;t get the grade they were expecting.  I do feel like I &quot;survived&quot; his class and I&#039;m a better writer for it.  If you&#039;re at all hesitant about your writing, I&#039;d get a second opinion before jumping into his class.  That goes double if you aren&#039;t a native English speaker.

You really can&#039;t do much better than Underwood for writing though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald,</p>
<p>Underwood is a tough professor.  Out of about 16 students, roughly half completed the class.  Some who did didn&#8217;t get the grade they were expecting.  I do feel like I &#8220;survived&#8221; his class and I&#8217;m a better writer for it.  If you&#8217;re at all hesitant about your writing, I&#8217;d get a second opinion before jumping into his class.  That goes double if you aren&#8217;t a native English speaker.</p>
<p>You really can&#8217;t do much better than Underwood for writing though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,
What your experience with talking EXPO-25b with Dr. Thomas Underwood? How many students in your class passed his course with a B or better? I am planning to enroll in his class in the near future. I understand that he really teaches the students to be better writers, which is what I am looking for in a writing instructor. Let me know on your thoughts on Dr. Underwood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,<br />
What your experience with talking EXPO-25b with Dr. Thomas Underwood? How many students in your class passed his course with a B or better? I am planning to enroll in his class in the near future. I understand that he really teaches the students to be better writers, which is what I am looking for in a writing instructor. Let me know on your thoughts on Dr. Underwood.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

One of the people sitting next to me at graduation was a Connecticut State Trooper in his 50&#039;s.  He was there with his two daughters who had only recently graduated college.  It&#039;s very possible to do what you&#039;re trying to do.

My best advice would be to take one course at HES and get a feel for the kind of work you&#039;ll be expected to perform.  Since you don&#039;t have a Bachelor&#039;s degree, my guess is that you&#039;ll be trying for the ALB.  If there is one big hurdle you&#039;ll need to face, it&#039;ll be the EXPO E-25b class that is required before you can apply for admission.  This is kind of a &quot;gatekeeper&quot; class and you should know that up front.  It&#039;s a serious test of your writing ability.  If you can handle that, you&#039;ll probably be OK for the rest of the program.  Don&#039;t forget that you&#039;ll need to take a minimum of 64 credit at HES.  Spread out over 4 years, that&#039;s 2 classes per semester.

Don&#039;t worry about being 45.  There are many, many people in your age bracket at HES and for exactly the same reasons.   Start slow, get a feel for the program, and then push ahead.  It&#039;ll be a long, hard slog but it&#039;s very worth it.  Honestly, I can&#039;t think of a better way to complete a degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>One of the people sitting next to me at graduation was a Connecticut State Trooper in his 50&#8242;s.  He was there with his two daughters who had only recently graduated college.  It&#8217;s very possible to do what you&#8217;re trying to do.</p>
<p>My best advice would be to take one course at HES and get a feel for the kind of work you&#8217;ll be expected to perform.  Since you don&#8217;t have a Bachelor&#8217;s degree, my guess is that you&#8217;ll be trying for the ALB.  If there is one big hurdle you&#8217;ll need to face, it&#8217;ll be the EXPO E-25b class that is required before you can apply for admission.  This is kind of a &#8220;gatekeeper&#8221; class and you should know that up front.  It&#8217;s a serious test of your writing ability.  If you can handle that, you&#8217;ll probably be OK for the rest of the program.  Don&#8217;t forget that you&#8217;ll need to take a minimum of 64 credit at HES.  Spread out over 4 years, that&#8217;s 2 classes per semester.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about being 45.  There are many, many people in your age bracket at HES and for exactly the same reasons.   Start slow, get a feel for the program, and then push ahead.  It&#8217;ll be a long, hard slog but it&#8217;s very worth it.  Honestly, I can&#8217;t think of a better way to complete a degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great article and comments Richard, and to all of the other posts as well. 

I am 45 years old, and completed 3 years of college while in the air force. However, I never completed my degree because the career opportunities were too lucrative to pass up and frankly, continued to get better over time. Over the last ten years, I have espoused the merits of an ivy league education to my daughters and all others that would listen. Now that I have time, I think I would like to go back to school (possibly through HES) and challenge myself to finish what I started.

Here&#039;s where I need feedback. Although I have had years of business experience, I have little to no recollection of the information I learned in high school and college. How will I be able to succeed if I need that info as a base for completing this education? Math, of course, would be remarkably challenging for me as would academic level writing skills.

Can I do this, or do I need to basically go to a community college and take basic math and writing courses first? I have been putting this off for years now, and I need to feel confident that I have an adequate foundation to provide me with a chance to succeed.

Anyone&#039;s comments are greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great article and comments Richard, and to all of the other posts as well. </p>
<p>I am 45 years old, and completed 3 years of college while in the air force. However, I never completed my degree because the career opportunities were too lucrative to pass up and frankly, continued to get better over time. Over the last ten years, I have espoused the merits of an ivy league education to my daughters and all others that would listen. Now that I have time, I think I would like to go back to school (possibly through HES) and challenge myself to finish what I started.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where I need feedback. Although I have had years of business experience, I have little to no recollection of the information I learned in high school and college. How will I be able to succeed if I need that info as a base for completing this education? Math, of course, would be remarkably challenging for me as would academic level writing skills.</p>
<p>Can I do this, or do I need to basically go to a community college and take basic math and writing courses first? I have been putting this off for years now, and I need to feel confident that I have an adequate foundation to provide me with a chance to succeed.</p>
<p>Anyone&#8217;s comments are greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying for an HES ALB degree.  I have successfully completed all three of the qualifying courses and hope to be admitted in a year or so.   I hear people talk about taking 3 or 4 of these courses at a time and find that hard to believe.  I am pretty smart, organized and very hard-working, but even one was occasionally almost more than I could manage, although that will certainly vary by subject and level.  

I think a lot of people don&#039;t really understand what they&#039;re getting into here.  They will have to find new capacities in themselves in order to succeed, which I guess is the whole idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying for an HES ALB degree.  I have successfully completed all three of the qualifying courses and hope to be admitted in a year or so.   I hear people talk about taking 3 or 4 of these courses at a time and find that hard to believe.  I am pretty smart, organized and very hard-working, but even one was occasionally almost more than I could manage, although that will certainly vary by subject and level.  </p>
<p>I think a lot of people don&#8217;t really understand what they&#8217;re getting into here.  They will have to find new capacities in themselves in order to succeed, which I guess is the whole idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anxiously awaiting test updates from previous posters. Please share information on the test even if you don&#039;t want to share your own personal results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anxiously awaiting test updates from previous posters. Please share information on the test even if you don&#8217;t want to share your own personal results.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, William! 

I&#039;ve seen that link, and registered for the test on the 8th. When I saw the date range, however, I decided there was no need to rush into it, and started looking around to see what I could find out about the test, so I might have an idea about what to expect and how to prepare. If you come back to this blog after you take the test, I&#039;d be curious to know what your experience was, score or no! That could help me know how to prepare myself. (I&#039;ve been out of school for so long, I feel so rusty!) Thanks. 

And good luck with the test!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, William! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen that link, and registered for the test on the 8th. When I saw the date range, however, I decided there was no need to rush into it, and started looking around to see what I could find out about the test, so I might have an idea about what to expect and how to prepare. If you come back to this blog after you take the test, I&#8217;d be curious to know what your experience was, score or no! That could help me know how to prepare myself. (I&#8217;ve been out of school for so long, I feel so rusty!) Thanks. </p>
<p>And good luck with the test!</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michele,

I will be taking the exam this week, however, the HES website under placement tests says anyone taking the exam beginning June 7th - July 18th (the earliest dates to take the exam), the score will be posted no earlier than July 23rd. Then, upon receiving a score, one&#039;s &quot;registration is processed within a week&quot; after July 18th (if taken during that period). So, according to the website, nobody will be able to see their score until that date, although I am really excited to know my score!

Here is the link I found (just for the sake of it all): http://www.extension.harvard.edu/register/guidelines/placement.jsp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele,</p>
<p>I will be taking the exam this week, however, the HES website under placement tests says anyone taking the exam beginning June 7th &#8211; July 18th (the earliest dates to take the exam), the score will be posted no earlier than July 23rd. Then, upon receiving a score, one&#8217;s &#8220;registration is processed within a week&#8221; after July 18th (if taken during that period). So, according to the website, nobody will be able to see their score until that date, although I am really excited to know my score!</p>
<p>Here is the link I found (just for the sake of it all): <a href="http://www.extension.harvard.edu/register/guidelines/placement.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.extension.harvard.edu/register/guidelines/placement.jsp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

Have you taken the exam yet? I, too, am getting ready to take it and haven&#039;t been in any college writing for a few years. I&#039;d love to hear your comments. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>Have you taken the exam yet? I, too, am getting ready to take it and haven&#8217;t been in any college writing for a few years. I&#8217;d love to hear your comments. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lock, 
I am going to take the expo-25 in 2 weeks.  I just ordered the Rules for Writers, Diana Hacker, Sixth Edition, thanks to David.  Since you posted a couple of months ago, have you taken the exam yet?  If you have not, I will post again in two weeks after completing it.  I have not taken a college level writing course in a few years either, so I purchased the book to run through it and brush up on my essay writing skills.  Let me know what your results were if you have already taken it. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lock,<br />
I am going to take the expo-25 in 2 weeks.  I just ordered the Rules for Writers, Diana Hacker, Sixth Edition, thanks to David.  Since you posted a couple of months ago, have you taken the exam yet?  If you have not, I will post again in two weeks after completing it.  I have not taken a college level writing course in a few years either, so I purchased the book to run through it and brush up on my essay writing skills.  Let me know what your results were if you have already taken it. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Lock Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lock Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone out there have any more comments on the expo-25 class? Any other represenations of the placement test anyone seen? Really havent done college level essay writing in a few years and am anxious to get a leg up before the test. Any more suggested reading that anyone might offer? Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone out there have any more comments on the expo-25 class? Any other represenations of the placement test anyone seen? Really havent done college level essay writing in a few years and am anxious to get a leg up before the test. Any more suggested reading that anyone might offer? Thanks in advance.</p>
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